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07 July 2006 @ 10:02 am
Well, we stayed up far too late last night looking at family tree stuff. We decided to bite the bullet & pay for a month's access to all the census records online for England & Wales (ie 1841-1901; 1881 is available for free so we'd had some info), and got a whole lot of information. We found J's great-granda in all the censuses he was alive for, though tracking him down in 1891 took some doing - we knew he was living with George & Mary Pickering, and we found them & him seperately in 1901, but due to them being transcribed as Pickeime and him being listed as John P. Pickering in the census it took some finding in 1891. Got there in the end though, and we're confident it's the right household (right area, right occupation for George, right birthplaces for everyone, right ages & it's easy to see how the listing of him as John P. Pickering happened). We also think we found J's great-great-grandfather in 1891 - though we're less confident about that, but if it is him then he re-married & had another son.

We also worked backwards a bit, and are reasonably certain we've found J's great-great-great-grandfather (Thomas Patterson) and J's great-great-great-great-grandfather (Stephen Patterson). Seems once you get back past great-grandfather John they're coal-miners in Colliery Row all the way back to ~1815. And Jo should be thankful her parents didn't choose of one of the older family names for girls - don't think she'd like being Thomasine, doesn't work so well as a name nowadays ;)

We now need to add all the data to our Gramps database & transcribe the sources (we've saved out images of the original census data for what we looked at), and then try & solidify it by getting births/deaths/marriages if we can.

We also found a couple of other people's trees who had Stephen & Thomasin Patterson in, neither of which knew about J's branch of the family - if you're just going off census data then you wouldn't know that William & Sarah Patterson had had a son John: he was born in 1883, Sarah died shortly after and then he was sent off to George & Mary Pickering to be brought up by them before the 1891 census. We obviously have the advantage of J's granda having told us how his father was brought up by his Aunt Mary, and we also have Mary Pickering's family bible which has a whole list of dates of Births/Deaths/Marriages so we have more dates & names to work on than just census info for that side of the family.
Current Mood: curiouscurious
Current Music: Various "Unbelievable" (yes, old school indie ftw :) )
kierangiant on July 7th, 2006 09:34 am (UTC)
presumably tamsin is a derivative of 'thomasine' .. thom(a)-zin
Margaretpling on July 7th, 2006 09:43 am (UTC)
Good point. I'd not thought of that :)
Margaretpling on July 7th, 2006 10:09 am (UTC)
Having googled for 'tamsin origins' it seems there're lots of baby name sites that agree with you :)

Except the one that says Tamsin is the feminine form of Charles. But I'm assuming that one's on crack ;)
kierangiant on July 7th, 2006 10:37 am (UTC)
it is easily spotted if you consider the lingual form adopted in the katherine kerr books; they have noble and common vowel sounds.
in this case, tamsin would be the common (or lazy?) adoptation of the noble thomasine.

that particular series of books concentrates highly on welsh and pict adoptations, so it may not be entirely inaccurate.
Margaretpling on July 7th, 2006 10:47 am (UTC)
Ooh, I hadn't thought about the Deverry books in ages ... looks like The Gold Falcon is finally out (which you likely already knew), so I should pick that up & re-read the lot :)
kierangiant on July 7th, 2006 10:56 am (UTC)
i believe the final one should be out soon. 'black stone' or something.
kierangiant on July 7th, 2006 10:58 am (UTC)
oh dear. according to wikipedia, it is not the final bok ...
Margaretpling on July 7th, 2006 11:07 am (UTC)
At least they seem to be coming out reasonably soon after each other ...

She needs to update her website though - I looked there for info & that still implies The Gold Falcon is the last book ;)
Toreascamp on July 7th, 2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
Cool, not so keen on being called Thomasine, but Tamsin is a pretty name :)

I'd love to have a look at the family tree stuff sometime :)
Margaretpling on July 7th, 2006 08:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we'll definitely let you see it :) Either when you guys next visit, or we'll stick some stuff up online sometime. We do want to get it a little more solidified & tidied up first (though it'll always be a work in progress, I guess ;) ).